tv The Ed Show MSNBC October 23, 2013 5:00pm-6:00pm EDT
good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live in new york. i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. as ed would say, let's get to work. >> the rhetoric has just been cranked up to a place i've never seen before. >> obama care is really, i think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation. since slavery. >> sort of launch and leave missiles, politically speaking. >> it is slavery, in a way. because it is making all of us subservient. >> that we aren't free, after all. >> what is obama care? >> it's the law of the land. well, so was slavery one time
the law of the land. >> we aren't free, after all. >> a state representative somewhere say that it's as destructive as the fugitive slave act. >> as destructive to personal individual liberty as a fugitive slave act of 1850. i'm not making this stuff up. >> the left likes to think that we are the fringe. >> it is time to end the slavish devotion to the democrat party. >> that is, unfortunately, where we are right now. >> sort of launch and leave missiles, politically speaking. >> we aren't free, after all. and that's the idea here. >> after the gop took a shellacking in the 2012 elections, there was a whole lot of talking about rebranding the republican party. the gop said they were going to eninvest in outreach to minorities and women. in reality, we have witnessed a lot of the same old, same old. case in point, one of the marquis names of the gop teaming
up with one of the party's most extreme members. on tuesday, former vice presidential candidate, paul ryan, phoned into a conference call with republican candidate for virginia, governor ken cuccinelli. homophobic, anti choice, climate science denying, berther friendly, big three hating. ken cuccinelli. the same cuccinelli who likens abortion to slavery and the civil war. >> you talked about, again, your strong right to life views. and about god and being surprised that god hasn't punished america in some way for abortion. >> if you go back to abraham lincoln and the civil war, he looked at -- he looked at the civil war as a sort of a national penance for slavery. and the founders knew how bad it was. and we have other things in this country today. and abortion is one of them.
>> this is who the republican party elevates? i don't see a whole lot of rebranding going on there, my friends. the sad thing is, using slavery rhetoric is nothing new for the republican party. if they don't like a law, suddenly it's akin to slavery. take the affordable care act, for instance. >> what is obama care? it is a law as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the fugitive slave act of 1850 that allowed slave owners to come to the hampshire and seize african-americans and use the federal courts to take them back to federal -- to slave states. >> and i hear democrats say, the affordable care act is the law. as though it were supposed to genuflect at that sun burst of insight and move on. well, the fugitive slave act was the law. lots of things were the law and then we changed them. >> the republicans say well, we can't do anything about it. the law is the law, and it's the law of the land. well, so was slavery one time
the law of the land. >> going back to the way legislation approved slavery. this is more dangerous than that. >> yeah, this affects millions. it's going to affect every single american. >> obama care is really, i think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. and it is in a way -- it is slavery, in a way. because -- because it is making all of us subservient to the government. >> earlier this month, even president obama had to call out the crazy. >> you had a state representative somewhere say that it's as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the fugitive slave act. think about that. affordable health care is worse
than the law that let slave owners get their run-away slaves back. i mean, these are quotes. i'm not making this stuff up. >> my brothers and sisters, permit me the esteemed privilege for just a moment to be america's professor. let's take a quick refresher course here. 1850s fugitive slave act asserted the rights of a slave owner to reclaim an escaped slave. even if that person had run to territory where slavery was illegal. the law levied harsh punishments for interfering with their capture. the law heightened who is it tilt between the north and the south. it is, without doubt, one of the most controversial laws of the 19th century. so let's break this down. the affordable care act and the fugitive slave act, both laws. but i want to make one thing absolutely clear. the similarities end there. that's it. let me tell you, slavery was one of the most dehumanizing acts of american history.
it was the systemic attempt to deprive people of the privilege of existing freely. it made one group of people subordinate to another. it made race the central preoccupation of america. the poisonous bigotry that has polluted this nation has continued to infiltrate itself into our collective and consciousness and our, if you will, individual and collective lives. but the problem is that the bigotry and racism that persists as a pedigree of slavery have to be rejected. and even if black men talk about slavery akin to the affordable care act, they are wrong. white supremacist ideals are speaking. there is a ventriloquist act going on here so when you hear ben carson oral an west speak about slavery, they are not giving you serious history. read orlando patterson's
"slavery and social death" where he talks about the genealogical isolation. what does that big term mean? that means you don't know who your mama or daddy is, so you're floating out there without a sense of connection and rootedness to your particular family. he talked about social death, what does that mean? that means that human beings have no recognition in the -- no recognition that the state is bound to, if you will, acknowledge, and our humanity is lost and cut off. we are dead. socially existing vampires, if you will. people who have been body-snatched from the land of freedom and thrust into slavery. the only thing that is comparable to slavery? is slavery itself. stop all the stuff. on the comparative analysis of and the parallels to slavery. affordable care act has freed millions of people from their indentured existence in a system that denied them opportunity. let's not talk about their enslavement. let's talk about their relative
freedom to exercise their choice in 2013. get your cell phone out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, do republicans have any right to compare obama care to slavery? text a for yes, b for no to 67622. or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring the results later in the show. joining me now is the reverend dr. frederick haines iii, senior pastor at west baptist church, now in washington, d.c. that church is in dallas. and the reverend dr. otis moss iii, senior pastor, church of christ in chicago. dr. freddie haynes and dr. otis moss, it thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you very much. >> dr. haynes, let's begin with you. i know you have been preaching recently in your barn storming fashion around the country about the ludicrous character of trying to compare slavery on the one hand with the affordable
care act on the other, and trying to draw spurious parallels between those dehumanized and those who have a choice now to talk about choosing what health care plan they'll take. can you help us understand why that's so problematic? >> and thank you, professor dison, for educating our friends on the right about the comparison. it equates to a false equivocation. on the one hand, you have the most evil expression of man's inhumanity to man in the history of humanity that took place in american slavery. where black bodies were violated, where people had no right, simply because of the color of their skin. and as a consequence, you had many lives lost. millions of lives that have been lost. and so evidently, our dear misguided friends on the right did not go far enough in terms of what they want to equate the
affordable health care act. maybe they should equate it to the emancipation proclamation. but, of course, their ignorance does not take into the account that, again, so many lives were aborted and lost, so many lives% treated. families were torn asunder, and i recommend all of them to read not only orlando patterson, but the life of a slave, in which he compares slavery. you want to look at words for slavery synonymous, check out bar barety, such as human fraud. check outwards such as evil. those are the words that you equate with slavery, not the affordable care act that sets people free. for real health and healing and a future. >> right. and a lot of that, dr. moss, the kind of ex owe geezis we just heard from dr. haynes, the new film "twelve years of slave" really goes into a powerful examination of the conditions, the plight and predicament the
of actually existing people who were slaves told from the perspective of a man who was free, then brought into slavery, and then got free again, and became one of the strongest abolitionists against that institution. tell us about that film, and why it's important to have a historical context. >> absolutely. and thank you so much, dr. dyson. steve mcqueen who directed "twelve years of slave" showed human subjugation and the removal of human agency. and the fact that slavery was not a game. slavery was not some happy go lucky slaves running around as it was in "gone with the wind." it's the first time that we have seen on film, on cell aid, the fact that this entire story is told from the perspective of solomon northrop. we see his particular predicament. and we also see two interesting things. those who were the slave-holders, who claimed christianity, but it was really capitalism in drag. we also see those who were enslaved. enslaved africans, who shifted
and saved jesus from american christianity. "twelve years of slave" does a powerful, powerful job of showing us the horror, the pain, the brutality of slavery, yet people in that context were able to come out and still not only praise god but also transform this country, known as the yet to be united states in the words of w.e. dubois. >> dr. haynes, what's the importance of rescuing the sense of agency from black people who seemed to be merely the victims of an institution when actually they made creative choices, even within the claustrophobic context of slavery. >> right. and there were creative choices to resist. to affirm their humanity in the face of the worst expression of inhumanity that we have ever witnessed in the world. and as dr. moss has so brilliantly suggested, to literally save jesus from a euro centric brand of brutal christianity that in a real
sense had nothing to do with jesus of nazareth. and so the brilliancy of our ancestors, who refused to go along with that brutal, invisible institution, as it were, in which they insisted before i be a slave, i be buried in my grave, go home to my god and be free. whenever you hear those on the right being wrong in terms of justifying i guess slavery in their own minds, because they basically are devaluing how bru brutal it was, it was an inflection of racial insensitivity, historical ignorance with an undercurrent of racism that they need to be delivered from, because they are also robbing themselves and this nation of the dignity that african ancestors showed in the face of that brutal and hella mied horror that cannot be compared to the affordable care act. >> and i would add also, dr. dyson, this is a case of the othering of people in america.
we witness our president constantly being othered by those on the right. they're not sure if he's a christian or a muslim, if he's in kenya or even if he's born in the united states. the othering of a trayvon martin, because he is wearing a hoodie, does not belong in a particular neighborhood. the othering of people who are immigrants. the othering of people who are gay. the right has a particular issue with othering everyone else so they can put fear in the political system, so they can raise their funds and say that we are the true holders of the american dream. not realizing that this is a diverse quilt where people who are immigrants and those who came over as a result of the enslavement system, who are now building a new america. it is time for people to recognize that we no longer can be other, that we must build a coalition that transforms this country, so that we can be the united states, not red or blue. but a purple community that is willing to transform and liberate those who are on the margins. >> all right.
brilliantly stated by two i hope sightful and prophetic ministers. dr. frederick haynes and dr. otis moss. thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you, dr. dyson. >> remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen and share your thoughts on twitter at edshow and on facebook. i want to know what you really think. coming up, the doctor of delusion, who has been a guest on this show, is trying to join the rest of the misinformers in the republican party. plus, it's d-day for detroit. a bankruptcy court will decide if the city is really broke. [ tires screech ] ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revolutionizing power. supercharging turbines with advanced hardware and innovative software. using data predictively to help power entire cities. so the turbines of today... will power us all... into the future. ♪
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be a country that's morally bankrupt? are we going to be a country that doesn't care about our next door neighbor? >> that's big ed across the pond, dropping progressive knowledge of american politics at oxford university this week. ed will be back in the host seat tomorrow. but now it's time for the trenders. the ed social media nation has decided and we are reporting. here are today's top trenders. voted on by you. >> i really must insist you help me win the election. >> the number three trender. cling-on. >> gordon clingenschmidt is my name. i stand for freedom and i will fight for you. >> dr. chaps wants to bring his extreme views to the colorado statehouse. >> i will not compromise on gun rights. i believe in marriage between one man and one woman. i don't believe in abortion. i don't believe in exceptions. >> chaplain, i'm just looking for you to make the moral case for taking health care away from someone with a preexisting condition. >> here's my thesis.
obama care causes cancer. we're going to take back denver, we're going to take back the statehouse. >> number two trender. royal christening. >> one word says it all. oxford. >> ed makes a splash across the pond. and they want to hear from a liberal. and the perspective of a liberal in american politics. >> and today's top trender, decision. >> detroit is the poster child for the deindustrialization of america. >> the judge will determine if the city is indeed eligible for bankruptcy. >> detroit's bankruptcy fight goes to court. >> let's get detroit on the path to being a great city again. that's important to all of michigan. >> the pensions of 23,500 city retirees remains at stake. >> we are not responsible. we should not pay. >> we didn't make those decisions. the decisions were made by people on wall street. ♪ joining me now is the
reverend dr. wendell anthony, president of the detroit branch of the naacp. dr. anthony, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, dr. dyson. let me just say, i love ed. that's my man, but you really are representing. so he got the right man for the right job for the right time. >> well, we love ed, as well. we miss him and thank you so much for that, my friend. look, detroit bankruptcy has been a huge issue, not only to detroit, but the entire nation. your contention is, this is the canary in the coal mine. what's happening to detroit might likely happen to other cities, as well. so we -- before we get into the specifics, tell us why this might be a trend that is a negative one throughout the nation. >> well, quite frankly, mike, there's nothing pure about michigan. that's the slogan the governor is using. it really is impure. michigan seems to be more like the new mississippi. this is what i would simply call trick or treat politics. the people are getting tricked, while others are getting the treats. if i have a back problem, dr.
dys dyson, i'm going to get a chiropractor. i'm not going to go see a dentist. when you bring in a bankruptcy lawyer, that means from the word go, that's your intention. we believe that detroit should not have gone into bankruptcy, and detroit did not file for bankruptcy. the governor of the state of michigan, through the emergency manager, filed for bankruptcy. we believe they could have followed a new york model, done in 1975, with the then unions, labor folk, the business people. they brought everybody to the table. they talked about the issues of new york city. the governor provided 2.3 loan guarantees. the federation of teachers provided $150 million to support that project through albert senker and others and they resolved the issue. new york did not sell central park. they did not sell the statue of liberty. nor did they sell their museum or assets. so we in detroit believe as a result of what we saw today, the courts hearing the question of
eligibility with regards to the bankruptcy case, did detroit, did the governor, did mr. orr, do the appropriate due diligence before they filed for bankruptcy on behalf of the state of detroit? we say no. thousands of people gathered at the footsteps of the court today inside the city of detroit to protest that, to let folks know that pensions, that our voting rights, that the constitutionality of michigan and the federal constitution should not be neglected or rejected on the basis of somebody coming in and taking advantage of the city of detroit. well, look, the house just wasted $24 billion with this shutdown. could that money not have suitably gone to detroit? >> well a whole lot of money. mike, there are 125 cities across america that are at the brink of bankruptcy. this is a model. this is a strategy. if you can eliminate labor unions in michigan, if you can take the voting rights away from the citizens, i.e., the mayor
has no power, the city council has no power, that one man has the power to do what he will, that he provides all contractual obligations, that he can sign away the city assets. if you do that, that is not america. that is not what the democratic process is supposed to be about. we should be at a common table. as a matter of fact, the state of illinois has a worse record or credit rating than the state of michigan. there is chicago. there is the city of minneapolis. there is cincinnati. there is l.a. all of these cities have financial issues. but they do not have emergency managers. 50% of the african-american population in the state of michigan live under an emergency manager. that's one man, one person rule. that should not be the democracy that we see in detroit today. >> well, look, besides the fact that this is not a duly sworn-in
official, that is to say, not elected by the people so the rejection and repudiation of democracy on the one hand is aparents. let me tell you what, dr. anthony, i was having a conversation with a well-known detroiter, happens to be black. he told me look, this is the product of mismanagement over a city that we had extraordinary political power in, and as a result of that, we can't now cry foul. how do you respond to that? >> i'm so glad that you raised that, dr. dyson. was a study done that went back 50 years, looked at coleman year, van edward, dennis archer, all mayors preceded this time period. what they found through the detroit free press and others, that coleman young, the first african-american mayor in the city of detroit, had the best record of fiscal responsibility of any of the mayors that preceded him. one cannot look at detroit in isolation and say somehow the
leadership currently or those within the last ten years have caused this situation. it has to do with deindustrialization. it has to do with the growth of suburban communities. it has to do with the tax base that has been lost. it has to do with all those things. and when you look at that, then let's deal with the issue of whether or not detroit as other cities require a need not only of the state but of the federal government. >> all right. reverend dr. wendell anthony, thank you so much for joining us here today. coming up, social media backlash. and "ed show" regular gets attacked for doing her job. we'll break it down with her in the rapid response panel. plus, mr. cat scratch fever, ted nugent, is itching for a new position. next, i'm taking your questions. ask m-e-d live is just ahead. stay tuned.
tonight in ask m.e.d. live, our question is as follows. why don't republicans understand the separation of church and state? well, i've got to tell you. first of all, it's because they have a mischaracterization of the nature of religion in this country. they think the founding fathers believed in the same thing they believed in. no, they believe in something we call mechanic nice particular deism. what does that big word mean? that means that god set the world in order and allows it to work on its own steam and power, according to its own universal law. number two, they mistake thomas jefferson for their evangelical preacher around the corner. that just ain't so. when thomas jefferson finished cutting up the bible, the first thing to go were the miracles themselves. that's not the same kind of bible evangelicals would cherish. and finally, benjamin franklin said rebemidji-walker is great if it makes us a better nation. they were not about propagating
a narrow conception of religion. so therefore, they don't understand the wall of separation of church and state, because they want to christianize everybody who believes what they believe, and demonized those who don't. it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of democracy. go back and read your history texts. our next question is from mary. if ted cruz gave up politics, do you think he would have a viable career as a stand-up comedian? let me quote the late great whitney houston. hell to the yes. stick around, the rapid response panel is next. i'm mandy drury with your cnbc market wrap. the dow losing 54 points today, the s&p down by 8 and the nasdaq falling 22. the cost of imported goods rose .2% in september, led by higher fuel costs. average college tuition rose another 2.9% this year. however, it's still the smallest increase in more than 30 years. and shares of boeing rise
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welcome back to "the ed show". in the weeks following the healthcare.gov rollout, the kinks in the site were distressing and very real. publicity of these errors is necessary by liberals and conservatives alike. we've got to be critical about it, to be honestly involved in the process. but technical examination fell short of assessment and swiftly moved to manipulation and fixation. >> the thing people are getting very concerned about is what if it's not just the traffic. >> the web site is up. it's unmitigated disaster. everyone agrees on that.
>> a lot of people covering this say, look, this is some real inherent problems with the way the website, the way the whole thing was created. >> i'm surprised that they were not even able to get a website running competently. >> a bunch of men acting emotional. the voice of reason from a woman prevailed. salon.com's joan walsh was the first to point out the craze. noting the rush to tear into the affordable care act's website, she cautioned liberals not to abandon the greater narrative in favor of the media's newest obsession. to put it bluntly, she critiqued the critique. the response to walsh's article was astounding. what once was a discussion moved into a flurry of attacks coming from all political ideologies. but this time the aggression was personal in nature, and misogynistic in tone. just a big word to talk about the cruel and usual hatred of women. criticism does not mean becoming a tool to one side of the debate or another. but instead, recognizing problems within perspective.
here the discourse was polluted with personal attacks and we must investigate the roots of ugly nature in our culture. joining me is author liz winsted, arlena maximum maxwell and joan walsh of salon.com. joan, i want to come to you. you're a woman of extraordinary ability. you write well, you think well, you talk well, you look well. you do everything well. >> oh, thank you. >> and you're balanced. and you're self critical. what do you make of the fact that this kind of venom poured forth from people who simply 'tis agreed with your argument, and not simply from the right, to be self critical, but from the left, as well. >> well, you know, i woke up on monday morning and it was as w though the month we lived through, the republicans bringing our country to the brink of economic disaster hadn't happened and the narrative had turned on a dime. we were hearing a little bit about the republican civil war. which is just a little thing where the grown-ups are going to take charge and we have been
waiting for that to happen. but what they did and how horrible it was was really muted in favor of the new narrative that obama care is a train wreck and the failure of these websites to serve the traffic they're getting, which is a problem, which i said in the piece is the big deal. and one writer i liked, not ezra, somebody else, suggested that the failure of these websites was going to be equivalent for the democrats, the failure, which they haven't yet failed, would be equivalent for the democrats to the republicans bringing us to the brink of default. and i just said, hold on. these things are not equivalent. this is -- this say is a textbook case of false equivalence. here is how it works. and sometimes it works because liberals are very quick. myself included. to criticize the movements we're a part of or criticize programs we otherwise support. criticize this president. you all know the notion that i'm an obama-bottom which is actually the nice thissest thing said about me is absurd. we have people in tv land
yelling at the tv, she has been critical of this president, too critical of this president. but i thought the criticism was unfair. i didn't say don't report it. i just said have some oh proportion. and report it in context. >> absolutely. >> and then the rest is history. >> the rest came up. so sa lena, this is a tweet. i don't want just joan to respond and defend herself. i want other women on this panel. >> to weigh in. >> absolutely. >> this is a tweet she received. guess she is looking for that i am woman liberal sympathy. how do we characterize, again, the vicious nature, the personal characterization, especially when it comes to women? >> right. >> right? it's not that -- i've had my share. the character associated with women seems to be even more venomous. >> absolutely. there they speak in public and express their opinions. it's that you are a bad person or i don't like your arms or your face. right? it's very gendered. and i just want to take a moment to appointment out, i went out
on the website before we came out here. it's working. in new york, at least. right? and so i think there is a lot of male privilege infecting the dialogue around obama care. i am currently uninsured. and when i finally was able to log in and create a username, i had 124 different options. right? so you know, ezra klein and other journalists who already are insured are doing this symbolic logging on to the website, not actually needing health insurance, right? so a website having glitches is a lot less frustrating to me than having to use the same inhaler for a year because i don't have health insurance. mpth right, exactly. well, look, liz, you know, all of us are sons of glitches when it it comes to, you know, problems that we work out, whether it's apple or something like that. right? or daughters, as well. but you're a human orrist. you understand the nature of coldic relief. but this seeps to be awful mean spirited and trying to suppress to weigh in on a political subject usually stein as men's
territory. >> especially on this subject when some of the people weighing in are brilliant people who have dissecteded what this health care law means. so then to start speculating and stuff, it's like where are you doing that? we don't know what's going to happen. it's absurd. you can list 1,000 different things. the wright brothers flew 120 feet on their first flight. oh. you know, america booed and aviation never moved forward. really? so i don't really -- i don't really get it. and i think if you're going to on the third week of the obama care website launch immediately go to what if this is endemic of the entire thing, what are you going to write about for the next, like -- i just feel like going from there to there, there is a lot of stuff to look at and the nuance of detailing what this means. and third, and i'll just stop. young kids are laughing at old people talking about the internet. they are not -- like, oh, what if they don't sign up, what if they get bored. they're not going to, people who are young, all of us. when you know you have five months to do something, you
don't do it the first month. you put it off. you wait. and then you do it. what's going to happen? that last minute is going to be a train wreck. and that's when that website is really going to be tested. >> right. >> is when the final hours, people need to be signed on. >> wright. >> so joan, tell us -- joan should test her arguments on her 12 cats before she punches -- >> the cat lady. i'm a cat lady, ugly, fat. >> whore. >> b-word. c-word. >> wow. >> i'm attracted to ezra, young ezra, who is married. who i love. but -- >> and the president. >> oh, right. the president, yeah. >> don't tell michele, but the president is my boyfriend. men are not attacked in this way. men are not reduced to their genitalia. men are not reduced to their doing something either out of love or unrequited love or spurned. i mean, it's -- >> it's sexism tourette's. you say something, and they say
i want to have sex with you. it's like, wait, was it an option you could ever have sex with me? could we back up? there was never an option with the eagle avatar. it was never happening. >> this won't fly. >> yeah. you won't unleash your guns from your hands so for sure it's not happening. >> and i actually think it's irresponsibility of men on the left to stand up for joan, to stand up for other women expressing their opinions. because they were having an intellectual argument about policy. and about the narrative. and i think it's a responsibility of those who are disagreeing with joan to stand up for her and say, like, lay off. >> i say that. lay off. lay off of joan. lay of off of liz. >> or lay on them. >> you know what, i'm going to lay off of that. >> that's another show. >> liz winsted, certify lena marks well, and joan walsh, thank you for laying it on thickly. raphael cruz declares his son, the senator ted cruz, the
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welcome back to "the ed show." it's time for a visit to the church of crazy with senator ted cruz, his father gave a sermon at a megachurch in texas last year while his son was running for senate. >> the wealth of the wicked is stored for the righteous. and it is through the kings anointed to take dominion that that transfer of wealth is going to occur. god, even though he's sovereign, even though he's omnipotent, he
doesn't just let it rain out the sky. he's going to use people to do it. >> he is saying that his son is among the evangelicals anoipted as kings to take control over all society. >> before i ever met ted, i met rafael. and i knew that if the son was like the dad we could trust him to be our senator. [ applause ] amen? >> not all of his colleagues see him as anointed. mike huckabee admits cruz probably did more harm than good for the republican party in his failed mission to defund the affordable care act. >> we gave the democrats one incredibly early christmas gift. i'm not going to fault tid. he believed what he was doing was going to be helpful. but in the end, are we any
closer to defunding obama care or ridding ourselves of it than we were before? the answer's no. >> what does ted have to say to all of this? >> in every stage my prayers to god is that his will be done, and it will be. >> when you get a lot of people together in a megachurch, you can do some pretty incredible things with a mission. even if that mission is electing a man who will quote green eggs and ham on the senate floor attempting to defund something already made a law. my next guest may start a hole eye war on this one. >> thank you for having me. >> what do you think about rafael cruz saying his son was anointed to give wealth back to those who earned it. >> i thought i was miss
informed. i thought you said annoying. when you have the senior cruz, whose mame, rafael, means god has healed instead to add to the woundedness of america rather than healing america i think is problematic. and i think they're miss informed. >> you know it is interesting, and you bring up an interesting point that a lot of these folk who are defunding their assaults upon obama care are using a biblical basis or at least a religious one. what is it about the kind of right that wants to take away advantages of the poor by citing the bible? >> i think it's a form of ignorance, they're trying to make this a three kratic society, rather than a democratic society. when you look at matthew 25, 24, when it says i tell you the
truth mothers and sisters, as you do it to the least of these you have done it for me. i think they interpret that least to be the less. i think of god being an inclusive god, not an exclusive god, but if you are a son, ted cruz, raised by a man who thinks that the narrow bible, it doesn't make them bad people, just ill-informed people, which therein' l therein lies the danger. >> you know, jesus said the poor you have with you always. it wasn't an endorsement of poverty. it was simply saying take advantage of me being here right now. but you've got to address the conditions that make people poor. why do we disconnect religion and poverty? >> churches are centers of
power. and if he says this pulpit has allowed his son to come into government, then he wants to be a star himself. there's no grounds on them for them to have this animosity toward other american citizens, a cuban american who has benefitted from american forms of government to come and say the things which the obama administration would like to do, that you're andes threat cal to that means that you're -- i would invite senior cruz to come with me at the table, but hold the awe. >> i know you have crossed a threshold, it's your birthday. i'd like to wish ah happy
birthday. >> oh, my god. oh. oh, my god. my son is here too. thank you, my friend. oh, my god. for once in my life, i'm speechless. all right, this is dr. mawauta dyson, his mother, and james holmesen an all the people here, i'm extremely grateful for this wonderful opportunity to have hosted this show, to stand in for ed and to have my family surrounding me, to come here and deliciously trick me into receiving this birthday cake. i'm going to eat it all and share the tops with you. love you so very much, reverend. thank you so much for that. >> thank you for having me. >> this is a pg audience. so we're appreciative of that.